I'm a bit worried that there won't be much significant work on orcs for TW3 either, and that would be really bad because if they stay in more or less the same shape that they've been since TW1 then that will be a gigantic missed opportunity. And the problem has been so severe for so long that the faction has pretty much fallen out of the conversation.

The orcs are one of the most significant factions in Warhammer, they're one of the most popular in the tabletop game, but in Total War they've never been very interesting. There's nobody calling for the orcs to be redone because so few people care about them any more. Command five wholly different races: Bretonnia, the Empire, the Dwarfs, the Vampire Counts and the Greenskins, each with their own unique characters. I suspect the reason for this is that orcs have been so underwhelming for so long that, unlike the Empire who are fun enough to play even if they feel a little underdone, nobody is bothered that the orcs are a bit crap. It occurs to me that quite often we have people saying that the Empire needs to be revamped because it's bland as hell compared to the TW2 and DLC factions, but nobody seems to say this about the orcs.

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